It’s Dave Libbey’s world, we just live in it

Dave Libbey has no soul. I’m convinced of this. Don’t ask me why I’m convinced, I have no reasoning, but if you know who Dave Libbey is, there’s a good chance you might just agree with me.

For those of you who don’t know Libbey, he’s a college basketball referee that makes his home on the West Coast. Libbey has been an official since the early-1980’s, and over the years has worked his way up to a certain level of prominence in the world of NCAA hoops.

If you’re a hardcore Pac-10 basketball fan, you know Dave Libbey, and you subsequently hate Dave Libbey. Amongst his peers, Libbey may be viewed as a savvy veteran of the profession, but to fans and purists everywhere he’s more of a villain than anything else.

When it comes to college basketball, it’s all about Dave Libbey. If Dave Libbey is on the call, then Dave Libbey WILL BE the main attraction. You may not think that’s the case going in, but by the end of the game you’ll know it’s the truth. Libbey maintains an iron-fisted grip over his three-man officiating team and overrules anything and everything his minions attempt to do. You see a charge? Dave Libbey sees a block. You want traveling? Dave Libbey sees dribbling. For some refs, there may be such a thing as a no-call situation. For Dave Libbey, every situation requires his influence.

Dave Libbey is always right.

If you watched the Washington-UCLA game on Saturday, you witnessed Dave Libbey at his best. There were technical fouls, blatantly missed calls, questionably called calls, and even a sign in the Dawg Pack that read “Welcome to the Libbey show.” The billboard in his honor apparently brought out the best in Libbey, as he walked over to the students before the game, blew kisses, and thanked them for spelling his name correctly. As one fan put it, it was little more than “disturbing.”

On message boards around the nation, Libbey is trashed and lambasted by college basketball fans on a seemingly daily basis. However, I did find one message board where the man, the myth, the legend was praised. The forum on Officiating.com is a Dave Libbey lovefest. One user, under the handle “Stripes,” offered this praise of Libbey’s work: “I have been to Dave’s camp held at UCSD. I thought it was excellent. Dave is a great teacher and motivator. At the time I was a JV official…” And we’ll stop you right there. You were a JV official.

Just the fact that Libbey is as well-known as he is, is an indictment on his job and his personality. Officiating is a profession based on anonymity. The less people recognize you, the better. If fans can leave a game never knowing you existed, then that likely means you did a great job. Apparently Dave Libbey doesn’t play by these rules. He thrives on the attention, and he loves to be in control. He goes out of his way to chastise players, talk to coaches, exchange barbs (not necessarily in a friendly manner) with fans, and showcase his douchebag personality every chance he gets. Dave Libbey may be good for officiating, but he ruins the game of basketball.

*For stats on Libbey’s work, click here.

64 responses

  1. “I can call the same call, differently in the game and still be right. Make sense to you?”

    -No Dave it doesn’t. You’re an ass.

  2. The ASU/U of A game was worse than the UW/UCLA game. He never affected the result of our game, whereas as much as I hate Arizona and their lack of depth… they probably should have won.

  3. The term douchebag leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I prefer anal secretion, gives you much more to think about.

  4. Has Alex @SeattleSportsnet always been an idiot or did it start with this particular blog?

  5. It is obvious from the article and the comments, that neither Alex of SeattleSportsNet nor the three people who have already posted comments are basketball officals.

    I am a basketball official: 38 years as a boys’/girls’ H.S. official; 35 years as a women’s college official, 16 years as a men’s college official, and 16 years as a USA Basketball (FIBA Rules) official. I am a rules interpreter, an instructor of new basketball officials, and have been on the staff of IAABO basketball officiating camps. I know what it takes to become a basketball official and what it takes to become a top official like Dave Libbey.

    Alex’s diatribe is just that. A nonsense article written by a person who is no knowledge of the rules of basketball, no knowledge of basketball officiating mechanics, and has never officiated a basketball game in his life.

    I am curious how Alex managed to get a copy of a video of Dave speaking to campers at one of his camps, and then took fifteen seconds of Dave’s presentation out of context. I am sure there are some copyright laws that Alex should consider in showing this video clip in his blog.

    I really get a kick when Alex made fun of a young official for attending one of Dave Libbey’s basketball officiating camps when he was a young official and was officiating JV basketball. Basketball officiating is like any other profession. One starts at the bottom and works his way up. One starts by officiating Jr.H.S. and H.S. freshmen games as well as CYO and other youth games. As one gains experience and improves his skills, he starts to get H.S. jr. varsity games and eventually if he is good enough H.S. varsity games.

    Basketball officials go to officiating camps to learn to become better basketball officials. These camps are not just for varsity officials they are for all basketball officials, just like there are golf camps for golfers who want to become better golfers.

    So Alex, before you start blogging horse manure, you should research you subject and actually learn about the subject.

    Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
    Toledo, Ohio

  6. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    One word that’s actually two words put together: YouTube

    And we’re the voice of the fans, not the refs.

    Fans hate Dave Libbey.

  7. Impressive that you dug up a nearly three year old thread with a grand total of four responses over 2 days as a “Dave Libbey lovefest.” Was there nothing more for you to base your uninformed opinion on?

    You may claim to be the voice of the fans, but obviously not the informed ones.

  8. Alex:

    I hate to burst your bubble, but officials love it when fans boo. Nothing makes our day is when fans yell at us about how terrible we are. ROFLMAO!!

    MTD, Sr.

  9. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    Don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against most officials.

    This is strictly between me and Dave Libbey.

  10. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    I’d also like to add that I respect your profession as a lifelong basketball fan, and find it amusing that you use lingo such as “ROFLMAO.”

    I had no idea a referee had that in him.

  11. Is this why you took a cheap shot at a JV official and a board where officials frequent? Sounds like you’re contradicting yourself AGAIN.

  12. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    Ok, I’ll roll with that one because I did issue a cheap shot and it was a well-timed punch line, in my opinion.

    Let me ask you refs a question before you depart, and this is in all seriousness: Doesn’t it bother you that a guy like Libbey fully embraces the spotlight as an official, seeming to prefer notoriety rather than anonymity? I mean, it’s fairly obvious to most basketball fans that Libbey enjoys the attention he receives and seems to thrive on it. What’s the deal?

  13. Alex, to be honest, you are going to have to give examples of Dave Libbey fully embracing the spotlight as an official; seeming to prefer notoriety rather than anonymity. Give examples of him enjoying the attention he receives and how he thrives on it.

    I do know it bothers officials when people, who do not have a clue about officiating, trash the best of the best with nonsense articles.

    MTD, Sr.

  14. Hey MTD – I respect you and others for circling the wagons, but, you gotta come out west some time and see for your self. I’m not going to ‘trash’ the guy (your words), but look, when fans all up and down the west coast generally agree that Libbey seems to have a fairly consistent pattern of bringing his ego to the games and getting his ego involved in confronting coaches and players, and letting his ego get involved in overruling other refs calls with some of the most head scratching decisions, year in, year out, I’m telling you, this isn’t one blogger making things up….where there is smoke, there is fire. This is not ref hatin’, Libbey is a act unto himself. Knowing his stuff doesn’t negate his issues.v

    OK, back to focusing on real issues of the day like the economy, foreign policy, and good spots to get microbrews on tap.

  15. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    It sounds to me like you (Mark) haven’t seen Libbey officiate and are merely commenting on him because he’s a fellow ref. Because if you had seen him ref, I wouldn’t need to provide any explanation, you’d already know what I mean.

  16. Wow, it looks like Mark slept on the wrong side of the bed with Greta Van Susteren. Seriously, bro, it’s hard for me to take anyone serious who resides from the shithole state of Ohio. Yea, thats a cheap shot knock. It’s sort of the same feeling I get when I watch Libbey call a game. Want an example? See this clip

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agurNAiAPPg

    Or, how about you read an article about the game played on Jan. 22nd between U of A and ASU where Libbey called the most ridiculous illegal screen call I have ever seen, and then made a mind-boggling technical on an assistant coach.

    Don’t believe me? Look at an article written by Bud Writhers from the Seattle Times:
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2008678396_withers28.html

    Also, Alex’s clip led me to YouTube. So if you have any issues about the proprietary nature of showing this video, take it up with them.

    Yours truly,
    Matt H.

  17. I remember reading this article after Washington beat Gonzaga in 2005 and I think it sums up Dave Libbey perfectly and how he ruins the game for both the teams and the fans. If you scroll down to the 3-POINT SHOTS section written by Doug Gottlieb, it reads “In that game, Dave Libby called an unneeded technical foul on Lorenzo Romar that completely changed the momentum of the game in the second half. Since coaches are cautious about refs sticking up for other refs, I will say what everyone in college hoops knows — Libby thinks the ticket reads “Gonzaga vs. Washington starring Dave Libby as head official.” Please stop putting him on big West Coast games. He ruins the flow and puts both teams on edge with his “say one more thing and you are gone” attitude.”

    Take a look yourself MTD, Sr.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2248557

    Refs should not change the momentum of the game, the players should.

  18. Alex:

    I have seen Dave Libbey officiate on television.

    Matt H.:

    1) I lived in Glendale, CA from 1982 to 1984, and officiated boys’/girls’ H.S. and women’s coll. basketball in the LA area.

    2) Regarding the YouTube video of the ASU-USC game. I didn’t see anything wrong. The ASU player pushed the USC player that caused the ball to become dead immediately. The foul by the ASU player was a common foul and since USC was in the bonus, the USC player was awarded free-throws.

    3) I can’t comment on the Bud Withers article because I did not see the play being discussed in the article. It would be unethical and unprofessional of me to comment on a play of which I have not seen; nor can I comment about the technical foul on the assistant coach, but I will say this about assistant coaches: They do not get anywhere as much leeway in the conduct as a head coach would. But one has to remember that a basketball offical makes hundreds of yes or no decisions in a game: Yes that is legal, no that is not legal. If one were to grade out the officals in anyone men’s or women’s Div. I game during the season, the officials individually and as a crew will grade out heads and shoulders above the players and the teams.

    Bud Withers made the following statement in his article: “You know the old debate about the last few seconds should be when the kids decide the game, not the refs? Don’t try that one on Libbey, who will call a rebounder over the back with three seconds left just as he will with 14 minutes remaining in the first half.” Good officials will make the call like the one in the YouTube video regardless of how much time is left in the game. Officials do not decide the game, the players do. Remember what I said about officas making hundreds of yes or no decisions: If the players do nothing illegal then the officials do not have to put air in their whistles. That means players DO decide the game.

    4) With regard to you language describing the state of Ohio. I just figure you are an uneducated boob who does not have very good grasp of the English language and therefore has to resort to be a pottymouth in order to get his point across.

    Anonymous:

    1) Doug Gottlieb doesn’t know diddly squat about the rules of basketball or basketball officiating. And this is an article that is 4-1/2 years old. ROFLMAO

    MTD, Sr.

  19. Gottlieb played ball for Oklahoma State.

  20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4H2oK_pAA8&feature=related

    Here MTD, Sr. Now you've seen the Arizona vs. Arizona State call that Bud Withers was talking about. Jordan Hill sets a routine screen, and Dave Libbey decides he should probably intervene and ruin the game for everyone.

    Also, I'm glad you call Matt H. and "uneducated boob" and proceed to accuse him of having to resort to being a "pottymouth." A little hypocritical if you ask me…

  21. Alicia:

    Lets address Matt H. first, and I quote: “Seriously, bro, it’s hard for me to take anyone serious who resides from the shithole state of Ohio.” I rest my case.

    Now lets address the UA-ASU call. I watched the entire YouTube tape. I shall now quote from the 2008-09 NCAA Men’s/Women’s Basketball Rules Book the definition of screening, Rule 4, Section 59, Screening:
    “Art. 1. A screen is legal action by any
    player, offensive or defensive, with or
    without the ball, which, without causing
    contact, delays or prevents an opponent
    from reaching a desired position.

    Art. 2. In establishing and maintaining legal
    screening tactics, the screener shall:
    shall:
    a. Stay within his or her vertical plane
    with a stance no wider than shoulder width
    apart and shall not lean into the path of an
    opponent or extend hips into that path, even
    though the feet are stationary.
    b. Not be required to face in any particular
    direction at any time.

    Art. 3. A player shall not:
    a. Cause contact by setting a screen outside
    the visual field of a stationary
    opponent that does not allow this opponent
    a normal step to move.
    b. Make contact with the opponent when
    setting a screen within the visual
    field of that opponent.
    c. Take a position so close to a moving
    opponent that this opponent cannot avoid
    contact by stopping or changing direction.

    Art. 4. No player, while moving, shall set a
    screen that causes contact and delays an
    opponent from reaching a desired position.

    Art. 5. When both opponents are moving in
    exactly the same path and direction and the
    screener slows down or stops and contact
    results, the trailing player shall be
    responsible for such contact.

    Art. 6. No player shall use arm(s), hand(s),
    hip(s) or shoulder(s) to force through a
    screen or to hold or push the screener.

    Art. 7. Screeners shall not line up next to
    each other within 6 feet of a boundary line
    and parallel to it so that contact occurs.
    a. Screeners shall be permitted to line up
    parallel to a boundary line and next to
    each other without locking arms or grasping
    each other, provided that the screen is set
    least 6 feet from that boundary line.”

    The UA player did not follow R4-S59-A2, his feet were set significantly wider than his shoulders; and more importantly he did not follow R4-S59-A3c, which means that when setting a screen against a moving player time and distance is a factor in setting the screen.

    The time and distance for setting the screen is determined by the speed of the moving player that is to be screened but in no case shall it be more two strides of the moving player. If one watches the tape, UA-1 set his screen less that two strides from ASU-2 who was moving to maintain a legal guarding position against UA-2. UA-1 screen did not meet the time and distance requirements of R4-S59-A3c and that is why he was charged with a blocking foul.

    And for Anonymous who stated that Doug Gottlieb plaed basketball at Oklahoma State Univ. I have just one question: And you point is? I am sorry, that was a rhetorical question and I will answer it for you. It doesn’t mean didly squat. Just because one played organized basketball does not make him an expert on the rules.

    MTD, Sr.

  22. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    Mark, I think I speak for everyone when I say we appreciate your passion.

  23. Yes, Mark I entirely agree with Alex. It’s nice to see that some people take the game more seriously than themselves. I wholeheartedly encourage you to move to the West coast and apply for a Pac-10 officiating position.

    My problem isn’t with the rules or with referees in isolation. Rather its with how SOME officials interpret those rules, and when they choose to interpret them differently at different parts of the game. Obviously I can’t provide you with examples as of now, other than the ones I already provided, but I will be running a statistical analysis on Dave Libbey’s fouls per game, tech fouls, DQ’s (foul that result in a player fouling out), and ejections, and comparing those stats to other Pac-10 referees who have been officiating over the last five years. I will also be looking at fouls and tech’s called in the last 2 mintues of the half and game since these are periods that are crucial to momentum and the game. Maybe then we can settle this numbers! I will make sure to post my results in the next month or so, both here, and on the referee forum that is all upset with Alex and SeattleSportsnet.

    Matt H.

  24. Lets see, December 5th 2005. I’ll simplify this and only add 4 years to that date and it puts you at December 5th 2009, a date that has yet to be reached. Nice 1st grade math. If anything, the commentary pertains to the same thing that is the topic of conversation NOW and shows consistency in the crappy self centered job people believe Libbey has done.

    I posted the article in your request for evidence asking for how Libbey likes the take the spotlight. Also, I believe playing basketball at the Div.I level gives you credibility when I comes to assessing the rules because players are taught by their coaches what they are allowed to do and what they are not allowed to do. Surprisingly, the things they are taught coincide with the rules. (Sarcasm intended for that sentence by the way) Anybody who played organized basketball instead of learning it from a book by reading the rules would know that.

  25. Mark,

    Can you call a block and a charge on the same play? Please answer this for us as our resident Libbey apprentice.

  26. Of course you can call a block and charge on the same play. But what you have to do is subsequently convene with the entire officiating crew for 5 mintues at mid-court, and then call an even more dubious double foul. It’s called Libbey-ing.

  27. MarkSr…don’t you have some officiating to do? I think I’ll stick with Womens Basketball, thank you. Mr. Libbey is a crappy self centered official, if you haven’t watched a game he has officiated in the last year or two than don’t comment. If you have then you know what Alex is talking about…unless you are a “blind” official. (no offense to the blind)

  28. Why not just make up your mind? In my opinion, referees should be neither seen, nor heard. (Arrested Development – Wilford School anyone?)

  29. Essentially, Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. from Toledo, Ohio (your state is the worst in the Union by the way, you should be given to Canada) is one of those refs that thinks the basketball games are about him.

    He peaks out from behind the bleachers where he does little warm up stretchs and jumping jacks with his fellow wannabe high profile refs before the Friday night JV games,

    “Guys…look at all the fans! They came to see us tonight!”

    He puts on his tight little black reffing pants, checks his whistle, slicks back his hair…and refs a terrible game.

    No Mark, the fans didn’t come to see you. They came to see a basketball game. Easy on the ego sport…though I fear you’re already too far gone.

    Let me guess, you never actually played basketball at a competitive level, right?

    Signed,
    Has Seen Too Many Egotistical Refs Ruin Basketball Games

  30. Matt H:

    I am a structural engineer, so I have some knowledge of calculus, differential equations, numerical analysis, probability and statistics, linear algegra, etc. And it was Samuel Langhorn Clemmons (aka Mark Twain) that said it best: “There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics.”

    You can run all of the statistical programs about who made what call when, but it does not mean diddly squat when evaluating officials not matter what the sport.

    Jason:

    To answer your question about block/charge: a) When applying it to legal guarding scenarios, by rule (definition) you canNOT have both a block and a charge on the same play. And the NCAA Women’s Rules Committee takes that position, a position that I agree with 100%. But, unfortunately, the NFHS and NCAA Men’s Rules Committees take a position that says that it can happen. I cringe every time I hear about the dreaded “blarge” in a H.S. or men’s college game.

    Too Many Eqotistical Refs:

    1) I don’t think that Ohio is that bad. I agree that we would have been better off in Canada the last eight years while George W. Bush was president of the USA, now that he is out of office I believe tha thing will only get better eventually with Barack Obama in the White House.

    2) As a matter of fact I did play competively in H.S. Our H.S.’s coach lived two houses from my family. He was also the boys’ and girls’ golf coach and his children and my sister and I grew up like brothers and sisters. His record was 378 wins and 122 losses; 16 league championships (I played on two of them) and one state runner-up. He was also an OhioHSAA registered basketball offical during that time. I had two teammates that played Div. I, including one who started 3 years at Duke and played professionally in Italy for 8 years after that.

    Jason:

    It would be nice if a game had nothing unusal happen and the officials can just go out that have have nothing wacky happen. But, there are times when it does, and that is when the officals are required to take center stage and solve the problem.

    Actually, assistant coaches are to been seen and not heard, ;-).

    Anonymous:

    I must have mis-read (after all as a sports official I am blind in one eye, and canNOT see out of the other eye, ;-)) the date of Doug Gottlieb’s article, but, being a Div. I player does not make him a rules expert. And I have listened to Doug too many times in ESPN to know he does not know the rules.

    I do not know how many times I have had former players in my officiating class tell me that they always thought the officials did not know the rules and now they realize the officials do know the rules and the players and coaches really do not know the rules. And some of these former players were college players too.

    Amazingly, I have officiated at team camps and watched coaches teach their players to do things that are illegal. And the first words out of the player’s mouth after you call a foul on him or her are: “But my coach told (or taught) me to do that” And then the coach chimes in with: “How can that be illegal? I told her to do that.”

    A player, coach, and fan, knows that a player cannot run with the ball, make illegal contact with an opponent, etc. But unless they have studied the rules book, casebook, and mechanics books, they do not really know the rules of the game. That means they do not understand how a dead ball beomes a live ball and vice versa; when does player control (and team control) begin and how does it end; what is the difference between a personal foul and a technical foul; what is a double foul; what is a false double foul; what is a multiple foul; how does a player establish a legal guarding position and how can he maintain it; etc. These are just a few of the things that one needs to know to be able to begin a career as a basketball official.

    Getting back to Doug Gottlieb’s credentials (or lack of credentials) as a basketball rules expert, I give you the following examples: I am an engineer with a major in civil engeering, and my speciality is structural engineering. Another engineer has a degree in civil engineering too, but his speciality is evnironmental engineering. We are both civil engineers, so we have certain common expertise, but I am not an expert in environmental engineering and he is not an expert in structural engineering. The same goes for players/coaches and officals.

    MTD, Sr.

  31. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    Without the players and without the game, you (the officials) have no job.

    Why do you insist on putting them down, when you’re merely a byproduct of the main attraction? Fans pay to see basketball games, not the Dave Libbey (or any other ref) Side Show.

  32. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    Also, please visit the Tri-Cities Basketball Referee Resource for information on officiating from a college referee:

    http://gjackson2111.blogspot.com/

  33. As you did not address the spotlight issue in your response, I think we can take away that you have conceded the point that Libbey has been harmfully taking center stage in the games that he refs (which was the original topic you responded to) and has been doing so for quite some time. As for your point pertaining to player knowledge, you have illuminated to me that lower level athletics in Ohio does indeed suck at educating their players on how to play the game correctly and understand the rules. I have never had this with any of my coaches or with any of the people I have played with. As a player it is your responsibility to know the rules and once you are in college, your job is being a player. Therefore knowing the rules in your responsibility.

    Just out of curiosity, when you say you played in high school, did you play or were you just on the same team as a bunch of really good players?

  34. Mark, if any of these so called experts/journalists/researhers were really serious about the subject they would step on to the court with some stripes and get the story from both sides. Officials have been there as players, fans, and officials so they know the full scope of this subject.

    I’m quite sure all these bashers don’t have the heart or gonads to do that. It’s a lot easier for them to bad mouth folks from the anonimity of the cyber world.

    BNR in VA

  35. And notice how they all ignore the specific rules and plays citations…guess those comments are not convenient to their character assassinatio….err, I mean debate on the subject.

    BNR in VA.

  36. And the real kicker is the comment that D1 players know the rules b/c their coaches taught them. That’s a real scientific statement there buddy…..not. (read that literally had me rolling on the floor laughing). That’s the biggest joke of all. I bet not a single person on this pseudo journatlistic web site has ever cracked a rule book in their lives. What gives a commentator more credibility on the rules than an actual official?

    Just one question, if Dave Libbey is such an obviously horrible official why do supervisors keep giving him games? And why does the NCAA National Coordinator of Officials continue to work him deep into the NCAA tournament. I guess the people making those decisions are lack intelligence also?

    BNR in VA

  37. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    “If any of these so called experts/journalists/researhers were really serious about the subject they would step on to the court with some stripes and get the story from both sides.”

    I’m going to offer any of you Pro-Libbeys a deal. Since you guys keep repeating the argument that the Anti-Libbeys should step onto the court and become refs ourselves (probably not a likely possibility given jobs/school/life, etc), I will give you an easy task to help spread the good word.

    Compose a well-written article that fairly and clearly articulates your stance and I will post it here on this site for readers to ponder. I will give you the opportunity to present a logical argument as to why we should cross over to the dark side and listen to what you have to say. You can email me at seattlesportsnet@gmail.com. I won’t omit any points you put down, but I will edit the article for language and spelling and that sort of thing.

    That is my offer to you. Take it or leave it.

  38. Has Seen Too Many Egotistical Refs Ruin Basketball Games

    So you don’t deny wearing tight little black pants?

    Sincerely,
    Has Seen Too Many Egotistical Refs Ruin Basketball Games

  39. NCAA officials have full-time jobs, families, and lives also. That’s not a legitimate excuse not to come over to the dark side.

  40. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    You have ten free minutes, that’s no excuse for not penning down your thoughts coherently.

  41. Alex, your inability to put down coherent, intelligent thoughts is on full display at SeattleSportsnet. Your ability to dodge direct questions exemplifies the lack of heart that keeps you behind a keyboard and off the court.

  42. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    “Alex, your inability to put down coherent, intelligent thoughts is on full display at SeattleSportsnet. Your ability to dodge direct questions exemplifies the lack of heart that keeps you behind a keyboard and off the court.”

    How is what you’re doing any different? At least I’m not anonymous. I love you guys for being here.

  43. I’m BNR in VA

    I’m on the court 2-4 times a week.

    The people who see me on the court see me in public regurly. I have nothing to hide.

    you may be Alex in Seattle. Or you could be in British Columbia for all we know. Post your pic next to Libby.

  44. “And the real kicker is the comment that D1 players know the rules b/c their coaches taught them.” I love it. A huge reaction from some statement was not really meant beyond a rebuttal against an out of nowhere statement. That’s not even what was posted. The intent of citing the article was clarified and it was not meant to say that he knows the rules. It was in support of the claim that Dave Libbey likes to hog the spotlight. Way to pay attention. “allowed to do and not allowed to do” doe not equal were told the rules. Apparently people in VA don’t know how to follow a thread or comprehend statements (lets see the reaction we get from him after that).

  45. btw, this is the most entertained i’ve been in a while

  46. Alex@SeattleSportsnet

    I think we can all relate to that.

  47. Regarding: “Let me guess, you never actually played basketball at a competitive level, right?”

    A majority of the top-tier officials I know at one time were basketball players. Me personally, I played for most of my military career. Including dropping 22ppg in 1988 Military Airlift Command (MAC) tourney at McChord AFB.

  48. Regarding: “Of course you can call a block and charge on the same play. But what you have to do is subsequently convene with the entire officiating crew for 5 mintues at mid-court, and then call an even more dubious double foul. It’s called Libbey-ing.”

    By rule in NCAA-Men’s basketball a double foul call is required in this situation. If one official indicates block and another charge then the crew is required to report a double foul. In NCAA-Women’s baskeball the rule is different. The refs must conference and decide which foul to call.

  49. I just read the box score of the UW vs. ASU game and you SeattleSportsNet fans should be very happy that UW won. Oh by the way, the R(eferee) in the game was Dave Libbey.

    ROFLMAO!!

    MTD, Sr.

  50. Washington State played ASU. Washington played Arizona. Washington lost. Dave Libbey did not ref the Washington game. Put down your crack….now back away. Call the ambulance, because that dead hooker in the corner isn’t going to pick herself up.

  51. I had the right game. Just the wrong visiting team. I am sure there are many WSU fans who have an intense dislike of Dave Libbey too.

    The point is you guys do not have a clue what you are babbling about.

    MTD, Sr.

  52. Mark, As a fellow official I agree with you 100%. I would love to see these crybabies, just once, go out and officiate a game.
    Mark, as for your comment on George Bush, I think you should leave politics alone.

  53. Alex…..

    It’s time to change your tampon….

  54. I can’t believe this is still going on. Seriously? Mark, you’re like what..60 years old? Please get a life and stop ripping on people for having an opinion.

  55. 60 years old aren’t allowed to express their opinions? And I’m still looking for some sort of post where Mark rips someone for having an opinion.

  56. Alex HAS officiated games and I for one think he did great, soooo I guess he CAN have an opinion and the rest of you can too. Now lets all just get along, play nice!

  57. Since I happen to know Dave Libbey personally I can say that all the information in this article is 100% true. He lives to be in the spotlight and he DOES want to be noticed at all times. Does the word NARCISSIST ring a bell? He actually thinks that everyone is watching him and not the game. Go figure.

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  59. It is interesting – all the people who dislike Libbey so much. I think the largest comment is – “what is the pac-10 doing about this”. Well, Dave Libbey put in 30 years of integrity-driven service to D1 basketball. If he isn’t respected at retirement, what can the pac-10 possibly do about the “problem” of officiating? Nobody wants to be an official. At first, officials are taught to be bland. To be vanilla and unnoticed. As upcoming officials start officiating HS V games, more is asked. The vanilla needs some nuts, some caramel, some peanut butter cups, or chocolate chips. Dave Libbey was a referee who had acquired all of these ingredients, and more. Arizona’s screen was poor. Poor enough to call at that time of the game? Maybe not – but the call wasn’t out of nowhere. The legs were twice shoulder-width, when they are not allowed more than shoulder width. The screen was also “blind”. It would have been an easy call for any good official in the first half. None of us can speak for what Libbey was thinking or thinks now – but I’d bet he’d tell you he would take it back. Every official has had numerous calls he wishes he could take back. That’s the nature of officiating. The game moves fast and officials must react fast. But, please show some respect at retirement for an official who almost all other officials look up to. Lastly, what fans and players believe is best for the game isn’t always correct. For example, most adult league games operate on a running clock. When fouls are called, players argue that officials are wasting playing time and to “let them play”. When fouls are not called, players moan even more. One good strategy is to never call cheap “and-one” fouls. A layup in basketball is only worth two points – regardless of a tap on the arm or not. A layup should only be awarded three points if the player really takes a hit. But the players will never like or understand this strategy consciously. Ah whatever. You guys will never understand. Enlightening basketball fans on the plight of basketball referees will forever be impossible.

  60. I can’t resist commenting… wow.

    1. I was writing about some Pac 10 officials I miss (and some I don’t miss). The only one I ever REALLY hated (and dreaded seeing on the court) was Libbey. Always wondered how he kept his job. And I had the great displeasure of watching him ref for more than 20, no maybe 30?, years! (Sad, I’m old, but I have been attending Bay Area college basketball games as a season ticket holder since the 1960s. Ok I don’t remember those, but I remember the 70s!). I googled and this article came up… good stuff. Entertaining comments!
    2. Boy oh boy oh boy, MTD[?] has way too much time on his hands. Well, the internet brings out a lot of folks like that. You guys were funny not letting go though!
    3. Alex, I enjoyed your piece. Agree. Right on the money about his terrible TERRIBLE calls. Maybe he made 6 or 7 out of 10 decent calls (and hence kept his job?!) but the few that were bad were SO egregious, that he should’ve been canned. Wonder what officiating in the WCC is like with him in charge (that’s your where-are-they-now trivia answer).

    Peace. :o)

  61. If Libbey was such a horrible official, why did he work the Final Four multiple times and how on earth did he officiate two championship games?

  62. i played at the university of San Francisco and have had many opportunities to experience libbey officiate, and i have always been satisfied with his calls. I have seen some pretty bad refs come through war memorial gym and i was always happy when libbey was on the court. Were there lots of calls sure but there were more times when het let the game dictate the call. Unless you are a player you don’t understand how much pittypat call can change outcome of a game. Every call he made on me i felt was legit. He was always in the right place to make the calls he made and i couldn’t dispute any of his calls. This coming from a player who fouled out in a game that libbey officiated.

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